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Mouth engaged before brain again – Yulia Tymoshenko

March 26, 2014

As is very well known, Russian espionage tradecraft is alive and working very well – as US Ambassador Geoffery Pyatt and Assistant Secretary Nuland are well aware.  Nobody in the EU will forget her publicised “F*ck the EU” statement not long ago made publicly available thanks to Russia.

It should therefore come as no surprise to any of the top Ukrainian politicians, “persons of interest” and “interesting people” – not the same thing – that they too would be subject to such tradecraft, especially so in the current circumstances.

But stupid is as stupid does – and there is nobody in Ukraine better at engaging their rhetorical mouth before engaging their brain than Yulia Tymoshenko when it comes to “persons of interest” to The Kremlin.

Thus the content of this leaked telephone call of Ms Tymoshenko, where she states it’s “time to take up arms and whack those damned Russkis and their leader.”  I shall refrain from translating it all, other than to say that this is by far the mildest of the comments made.  Think scorched earth, flattened Russia, machine guns fired in Russian heads and such.

Blimey how that will help deescalate matters

As I have written time and time again “Ms Tymoshenko knows only autocratic and oligarchical politics. She knows seedy opaque deals. She understands zero sum, conflict and division.”

She later confirmed the authenticity of the telephone conversation in the above tweet – but claimed it had been edited to mislead.

Given the sheer number of so many incredibly stupid statements she has made as a public figure – such as going on television in 2008 stating the global economic crisis would not affect Ukraine – belief in her statements and subsequent spin is somewhat thin.  Thus few will believe her story of the conversation being edited – if it was.

Regardless of any truth in the tale of the conversation being edited – or not – it has very little relevance.  It’s not what you say, but what people hear that counts.

Due to her complete lack of thought of both what she was saying and the medium she was using when she said it, what people will hear in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkiv, Kherson, and Odessa, are words from a presidential candidate – and woman widely believed to be very corrupt, far from honest in her oratory, and whom is already thought to be running the country from the shadows – making statements that will only further fuel their Kremlin planted/cultivated anxieties.

Alternatively, it may further spur secessionist sentiment amongst the hard core in western Ukraine to leave the rest of the nation behind if it is seen to be moving too slowly – or not at all.  (At least such sentiment amongst the hard core nationalists that remain alive that is – some even manage to predict their own demise.)

Considering Kremlin attempts to mobilise the south and east of Ukraine must be very disappointing from their point of view thus far, perhaps they will now see a lever that can be engineered to push the west of Ukraine away instead.  Or try both simultaneously.  (The option of pushing western Ukraine away, as pulling southern and eastern Ukraine in seems to be currently failing miserably, is something I wrote about elsewhere a few days ago).

Perhaps once it was leaked, her swift confirmation of authenticity was to make the best of a bad situation.  A swift spin into an attempt to win voters in western Ukraine from the nationalist ranks and such a strong rhetoric may also appeal to the millions of Russian speakers who do not want rescuing by Russia in preparation for the forthcoming presidential elections.  A Ukrainian Boudica of imagery if not action at least?

Whatever the case, it seems there is a competition between Svoboda and Ms Tymoshenko to legitimise everything President Putin wants to plant in the minds of the ethnic and Russian speaking constituency in Ukraine.  Why not just ask these regions to roll out the red carpet for Russian intervention to save them – not from fascists or anti-Russian sentiment – but from unbelievable Ukrainian political stupidity, whilst simultaneously further whipping up any secessionist sentiment in western Ukraine to leave the rest behind.

Considering there is little more divisive in Ukrainian politics than Yulia Tymoshenko – and the ideology of Svoboda – just how incredibly stupid and self-defeating can the current Svoboda/Batkivshchyna Party interim government be?  There seems to be no limits!

Still, a timely reminder for the Europeans, western orientated nations and institutions intent upon supporting Ukraine in the years ahead, of just how very difficult that will be with the incredibly feckless Ukrainian political class and the likelihood of further public unrest  – notwithstanding any Russian attempts to undermine any assistance given along the way.

Although I doubt any within the EU will have forgotten what became known as “Tymoshenko fatigue” a few years ago when she was last in power – if ever they needed a reminder – Yulia Tymoshenko is bound to provide it……time and time again!

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13 comments

  1. “Whatever the case, it seems there is a competition between Svoboda and Ms Tymoshenko to legitimise everything President Putin wants to plant in the minds of the ethnic and Russian speaking constituency in Ukraine. Why not just ask these regions to roll out the red carpet for Russian intervention to save them – not from fascists or anti-Russian sentiment – but from unbelievable Ukrainian political stupidity, whilst simultaneously further whipping up any secessionist sentiment in western Ukraine to leave the rest behind.

    Considering there is little more divisive in Ukrainian politics than Yulia Tymoshenko – and the ideology of Svoboda – just how incredibly stupid and self-defeating can the current Svoboda/Batkivshchyna Party interim government be? There seems to be no limits!”

    If only Ukrainians would wake up. These two will hand Ukraine to Russia on a silver platter and once again we will simply be “the Ukraine”.


  2. “You sit tight in the USA where no matter how inept your leadership is, nobody is going to use the comments of your leadership as a pretext to invade.”

    I’m not so sure about that anymore, though I would agree in the literal definition, at least for now. In the 1970s, Russia demanded the US surrender some geographic fishing rights in the Bering Sea. It took thirteen years, but the US eventually (under the cause of “avoiding war”) shrank our borders and handed Russia eight Alaskan islands (islands that were not part of the purchase of Alaska from Russia). Last year (2013), a Russian religious organization sued the US for the return of Alaska in toto, citing the need to protect the religious rights of Russian citizens in Alaska. That seems to be a running theme/excuse with Russia – protecting Russian citizen rights in foreign countries. The suit didn’t get far due to legal “loopholes.” Hopefully, the suit did serve to remind us that Alaska is not some forgotten piece of real estate as far as Russia is concerned. I doubt we’ve seen the end of that interest in reclamation, and I think it would be safe to say that any comments by our (US) leadership that could be used later for justification of renewing active interests in Alaska are being filed away.

    I don’t know why the Svoboda attack on the TV executive didn’t get much press here, or why Ms. Tymoschenko’s phone call has been handled thus far as non-news worthy (both reasons why I follow this blog and a couple others – to stay informed). I do know that everything that happens in Ukraine, and the west’s (I’m including Europe) inability to stop it, has global importance, not just for now, but the future. Every misstep, each stupid act, should be teaching points we must learn from, as I suspect we will somewhere down the road have them thrown in our faces. This is also why I’m concerned about the US keeping its promises; if we don’t keep our word now, we may find ourselves without many friends should the need arise at our own borders.


  3. Doing a google search shows that it’s hardly been reported in the Western press – only in the Russian media where it’s all over the place. So far except for the Daily Telegraph, AP and a Washington Post blog – nothing. Odd?


    • Perhaps Miley Cyrus has done something far more interesting.


      • I wasn’t looking in the Sun or Mirror – but when something’s fishy. I don’t know what’s going on but I don’t believe she just lost her temper. She couldn’t care less about Crimea so long as she rules the rest of Ukraine, (better for her 2 million hostile voters less) and also why would she be having that kind of ‘conversation’ with the POR guy? I thought he was ‘on the other side’.


  4. One more thing – I don’t think that Tymoshenko should be in government.

    She is always “on,” she is always an actress.

    People have caught on – she expected a triumphant return from jail at EuroMaidan – she did not get it.

    One of the signs said “Yulia you are free – to go.”

    Focusing on a leaked conversation between her and Shufrych, who is another odious member of the “political elite” detritus in Ukraine, is a waste of time.

    And it supports the idea of lustration.

    I can certainly understand her frustration over Ukraine being invaded by Kremlinoids – but she’s talking about nukes that Ukraine gave away and does not have.

    Focusing on stupid comments by Tymoshenko does not contribute one iota to saving Ukraine.


    • Her comments go some way to destabilising and already unstable situation – period!


      • The situation is not unstable because of her stupid comments.

        The situation is unstable because UKRAINIANS stuck their heads up their ass for 20 years, believing government is irrelevant, while Kuchma, Pinchuk, Kolomoisky, Yanusvoloch, and on and on, created a system of self-enrichment – and demilitarization of Ukraine for money.

        The US, Canada, and Europe poured a ton of money and knowledge and expertise in Ukraine.

        But the russified thick-skulled morons still would not hear and listen – except for a few.

        Ukrainians are worse than 2 year olds – you can tell a 2-year old not to put his hands on the stove burner or he’ll burn his hands.

        And the 2 year old will listen.

        Not so Ukrainians- they stick their hands on the burner repeatedly and burn their hands, and still don’t learn.

        “a wise man learns from the mistakes of others
        a smart man learns from his own mistakes
        and a fool learns neither from the mistakes of others or from his own mistakes”

        hence – Chernobyl syndrome – let everything blow up due to improper preparation and planning, and then cry and moan about it and expect others to wipe your ass and feed them and protect them from their own stupidity

        “proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance”

        “failure to plan is planning to fail”

        the only thing Ukrainians planned is how to steal money – or to avoid those who stole money by leaving the country or staying under the radar, pretending that everything would be OK

        everyone knows that Tymo’s comments are stupid

        no need for you to spread them around even more


      • No the situation is Ukraine is not unstable because of her comments – but it can very easily become more unstable by the comments of such a well known politician and presidential candidate with a reasonable chance of winning and controlling the armed forces – To ignore the comments of such a prominent figure at such a sensitive time would be remiss to say the least.


  5. Will she be writing off 1,000 ambulance purchases on the taxpayers for Opel Combo sedans as campaign vehicles again? Don’t know what I’m talking about? Refer to Inna Bohoslovska on this.


    • Of course I know what you are talking about. I’ve lived here a very long time – but you failed to refer to the BYuT stickers on the back as was the case. I have no need to refer.


  6. At a time when Putler and his Kremlinoids have killed Ukrainians, and fomented disturbances in the territory of Ukraine, and taken over 5% of the territory of Ukrained, and massed a huge armed force on the borders of Ukraine, and sent letters to Poland and Hungary and other countries inviting them to feast on and split up Ukraine, at a time when Ukraine has absolutely no army because of the brutal rape and pillaging and robbery and murder of Ukraine over the past 20 years by the likes of the Party of Regions and Yanusvoloch =-=====

    you decide to turn this blog into a bash Tymoshenko blog.

    Kolomoisky, a criminal oligarch, and his henchman Filatov, are now governor and assistant governor of Donetsk.

    Nothing from you about that.

    Keep focusing on bashing Tymoshenko – that is bound to save Ukraine from Putler and his Kremlinoids

    way to go, Mr. self-glorifying Chatham House


    • I am quite aware of the external threats to Ukraine, I live here and in one of the regions that undoubtedly would be a strategic target for The Kremlin.

      The comments of Ms Tymoshenko, a presidential candidate, have diminished them or escalated the problem both internally or externally?

      They should be ignored when this is a potential leader of Ukraine who will control the armed forces, set policy, have to interact with the international community (including Russia)?

      They have no implication?

      You think The Kremlin or the EU will ignore this incident or be ignorant to the potential these comments have internally and externally?

      You think they will have said nothing to her about it?

      There is only a need to bash Ms Tymoshenko if she does something worthy of it. I do not take sides. I will comment on whomever does something incredibly stupid making a bad situation worse.

      You sit tight in the USA where no matter how inept your leadership is, nobody is going to use the comments of your leadership as a pretext to invade.



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